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Justaday

Member
Hello,

I was a total wreck yesterday. I felt at wits-end. Thought about going to the hospital, but remembering that's not a place I want to be. I popped a 25 mg. Seroquel, because I couldn't seem to find my way back to myself. My coping, I just couldn't access it in the state I was in.

I gave myself the moniker, "Justaday", which was an inventive coping for where I was at in my head. It's just a day, it's just one of those days. A reminder it can pass. In reaching out (in a sense of desperation), but in consideration of others, I chose not to go with other monikers "no boat, no vote", or "no paddle". I got nailed with some depression, sense of despair and hopelessness.

I'm on Disability for the ptsd-problem. I had to get a mental health worker come in with me to do the interviews for that, because at that time, and from the stress of having to go that route, I was really struggling with bad dissociation.

I've had some bad traumas throughout the years, a long trauma history, a long sequence of 'unfortunate events' exposure, and even at the Disability interview and although they were just asking about 'financial history', my brain is such chopped-liver, too many questions about my history to answer all at once and on demand, sends my brain into a spin, I become disoriented, I struggle to retrieve information.

At one point in that interview, I found myself leaning over and my head was at the same level as the desk and it was like I 'woke up', and I had no idea how long I was there for in that position, I can't remember what preceeded that. I caught a glimpse a look the Mental Health Worker gave the Disability Intake Worker. . . I think I might have been drifting through space, sort of blinking in and out from awareness. My mind just gets frazzled at times.

I've been struggling with PTSD for years, chronic, it went untreated even though I saw a psychiatrist who said they knew what they were doing. . . years later, I discovered a social worker who knew about and flashback management and she was able to teach me that. I'm getting better with it, practicing it with some success.

I'm still struggling with routines though and I broke my foot and was off of it for 6 weeks (I don't have a car, I couldn't even get out to get crutches or to an appointment-- I was hoping it was only a sprain, and I waited too long) and that impacted on my routines as well. I ran into a person from the building, when I was trying to walk over to pay the rent, with this makeshift cane from an old hiking stick-- incredibly painful. I tried to pay the rent earlier in the week, it took me so long to cross the parking lots, the office closed, and I bawled my eyes out, because I knew I was going to be really exhausted for a day or two following. My body is tired from chronic stress, it doesn't heal so well.

Anyway, too much reading, writing, I should have done some crafts, make a new structure. I think that's why I was so vulnerable yesterday. I was trying to make a jump into trying to figure out a career direction, and it was feeling hopeless, so uninspired. I don't want to go into debt for school at my age (I'm 42). I was looking at options and thinking why would I want to even get the loans and sink myself into debt $5k, only to earn minimum wage at the other end of it and have to struggle more to pay that off. I don't own a house, I'm a renter, I don't own a car. My brother, is also really struggling, works hard everyday, heavy physical labour, and he's really struggling to get his credit card debt down and it's depressing for him.

I'm just not able to see a good way through yet. And my mood wasn't good for doing that sort of searching and I should of just accepted that and relaxed about it.

I have to re-establish routines and as well, re-build some physical strength and maybe then it will feel less overwhelming.

My PTSD history is really long. Origins go back to an alcoholic family, and a situation of 'complicated grief' which did affect my personality development, guilt-ridden, over-responsible for others, and I made poor choices. Stayed in unhealthy situations, when it was saner to leave. I can't ignore the importance of having strong interpersonal boundaries with others, because my mind-body are so burnt out, stress really exhausts me, I pay for physically (and this never used to be a problem: but arthritis, IBS, low immune system-- I even lost a patch of hair on my head (and I'm a woman-- it grew back, but that's the thing about stress and how it also effects hormones, cortisol; blood pressure).

Anyway, the crisis of yesterday has passed and I have some perspective on it. I'm good at surviving, just less good at the living and thriving part. It's going to take a heck of a lot of work to pull myself out of it. I wish I could see tangible signs of hope, I don't, so I have to rely on faith. I can see a partial path, the next steps I need to take and really practice not getting distracted, or caught up in bad news.
 

Yuray

Member
Re: Hello. . .ptsd. . .

I wish I could see tangible signs of hope, I don't, so I have to rely on faith.
There will be signs of tangible hope in here, with our words and suggestions, and even just to listen to you 'get it all out'. You posted quite late in the evening so you won't get a lot of feedback tonight, but later tomorrow you will for sure have a few responses:)
 

David Baxter PhD

Late Founder
Welcome, Justaday.

You mentioned a mental health worker. What assistance are you getting for your PTSD? Do you have a therapist, a psychiatrist? Do you have regular sessions to help you deal with this? Are there any programs you can access in your area, either through CMHC or the hospitals?
 

Retired

Member
Hello Justaday,

Lets hope you can find the information you need to help deal with this current crisis.

I popped a 25 mg. Seroquel, because I couldn't seem to find my way back to myself.

Are you taking your medication on a regular basis every day as it was prescribed for you?
 

CarlaMarie

Member
Welcome, your post made lots of sense to me. I often find myself in the same place. I hope you can be gentle with yourself while you heal and get back to your routine. Did you make it to the Doctor to care for your ankle? I find with my PTSD it doesn't occur to me to take care of my self in that simple manner. Remember first things first.
 

Justaday

Member
Thanks everyone for your responses.

You mentioned a mental health worker. What assistance are you getting for your PTSD? Do you have a therapist, a psychiatrist? Do you have regular sessions to help you deal with this? Are there any programs you can access in your area, either through CMHC or the hospitals?

The mental health worker was temporary, she was an outreach worker who assists people with ODSP (Disability application/Intake). My social worker helped me find her.
My social worker was off work for 4 months (due to a back injury). I saw her once before Christmas and I have an appointment with her tomorrow.
It's been a bit of a challenge getting regular appointments, optimally to get two appointments/month. She was able to teach me about flashback management. I was doing okay, not great with the routines, but I was getting out at least, moods were positive, content. My coping was okay re: su fleeting stuff, I was able to practice mindfulness and was good at it and it didn't stick with me, just a quick blip symptom and I felt good, mastery over the symptom (it used to crush me, over take-me, and I was having a lot of success, but that other day, nope, it was sticking). Same with flashbacks, better at it-- earlier recognition (where it's happening in my body).

I was in a yoga class that was being offerered for free in the community, but I injured my foot and couldn't get out.

Did you make it to the Doctor to care for your ankle?
(Yes, I did get to the doctor and got an X-ray, it was a bad sprain [I passed out and lost consciousness briefly, also a mild concussion cause I banged my head, and felt that ache for some days-- hard to get to the doctor, no car, no crutches, and I felt too exhausted to get out]-- it didn't seem broken, I could move it, but it took a long time to recover-- 6 weeks, and I'm still having to go slow, and my back is weak as well as a result of inactivity, I've tried to get out a few times, and my back spontaneously collapsible-- awkward. I still have some physical recovery to do, I should work on my core, strengthen my abdominal muscles. I did run into a woman in the building that I know, and she had an extra set of crutches-- so I could get out to the doctor and get an X-ray-- it's a bone chip. I think the swelling has gone down.


I don't have a psychiatrist, but I have a GP I can talk to about meds and I believe he is well-trained, doing proper assessment interviewing (a lot more professional than psychiatrists of the past, he's focussed on what he's suppose to be focussed on). I don't have regular appointments (once every 3 months, I think?), but I can call to arrange an appointment about my meds anytime.

I know there is an outpatient day program run through the hospitals, so maybe that's something I can discuss with my social worker. It does nothing for PTSD, but it could help me re-focus on routines.

Are you taking your medication on a regular basis every day as it was prescribed for you?

This I did mess up on. I've been more or less keeping up with the 150mg Zoloft. I was prescribed Seroquel. The extended release makes me sleep way too much and I lose my entire evening to them, way too groggy. But the 25mgs I can take at 9:00, be ready for sleep by midnight and I wake up properly, morning, 7-8:00. There's another symptom I struggle with at night, which I think is like 'restless legs', arthritus, it seemed to be bothered more by the Seroquel. . . I guess it's just timing. Take Calcium, but not until the Seroquel is properly absorbed. . . maybe I've been forgetting my Vitamin D.

Anyway, I can feel tension, anxiety lingering on with me, so yes, I will start back on the 25s for evening, and I should stick with this. I realize I need it, because I'm still feeling tensions, vulnerable, anxiety last night and I didn't sleep-- good signal to get back on those meds. My hands were a bit shakey too, so I know that with stressors out there, I'll be more prone in my present state for panic attacks and other unwanted symptoms. I haven't had the linger-effect, mood dysregulation for a while (even off the Seroquels). Thanks for bringing this up, I'll re-commit to taking a nightly 25mg.

The other thing that was not healthy, blogging, e.g. that crazy event in Arizona-- it came up on a board I was on, which I was enjoying the mental stimulation of it, feeling inspired work wise even, it was an intelligent discussion group, getting some inspirations, but then that story arrived and I should have avoided it-- I know elements in that story are really triggering for me and the debates around it.

I have to have some sort of system, "Do Not Enter"-- I fool myself into thinking I can handle it, stay in 'intellect', keep grounded, but the triggering of it creeps up on me. I get attached in trying to do the right thing. And I'll over-focus, over-research (because I enjoy doing that, I enjoy learning new things, I enjoy practicing mind skills in critical reasoning, etc. and taking to the challenge of keeping balanced in perspectives, enjoying debate) but there's a place where it all hit me. I need to be stronger to pull away at first signs it's less enjoyable and provoking stress in me (which my body alerts me to first, before my mind actually apprehends it). I fool myself, I deny my limitations. I don't like violence in the world, I don't like the violence in others that comes out as hatred. . . it disturbs me to feel aware of that and where that could be leading, re: more violence in this world. It's not something I have power over, it's just a wish, a wish to be able to influence non-hatred, non-violence.

News is bad for me, I over identify with victims of violence and victims of the system even. I don't react with reactivity, I try to show reason, and compassion is reasonable and I try to exercise patience and I feel good about doing that. But what am I really doing, it's a waste of time! :eek:mg: ;) I should go back to reading books, less surprises, not as likely to get highjacked.

Anyway, I've been on a waitlist for Homewood "Trauma Recovery Program", and it's coming up to 3 years on that waitlist (April), and I don't believe a spot will be opening up for me anytime soon, because I don't have specialized private insurance (they only have a couple of ward beds available for OHIP/Provincial Health Care Coverage, for each session the program is run and I expect there are a lot of others on that waitlist ahead of me).

I'm pretty tired right now. I think I'll take my 25mg Seroquel now, make it an early night
 

CarlaMarie

Member
Wow, thank you for sharing. You are doing lots of self care good for you. I am glad to hear your Social worker is back.
 

Justaday

Member
My deepest gratitude to everyone here for your support, while I was in a low spot. Thank you to each and every one of you.


I'm feeling a lot better now. The su feelings/thoughts (hopelessness, despair, anxiety, overwhelment) have passed-- they're not sticking to me. I have a sense of freedom back, now that that part of the storm has passed.

It was good to take a pause and evaluate the factors and stressors which brought me to where I was at in that time of low.

There's always things to learn I guess, from a relapse, a ressurgence of intense symptoms.

I fell off even the basic routines. Time to re-attend to those, starting with sleep schedule, and sticking with the meds to help re-stabilize that. I'm glad I have those meds, it spares me from a trip to the hospital.

My social worker appointment went well. I like her; she's grounded, sensible-- which is the kind of feedback I really need at this point in my life:D
I had a chance to discuss my anxieties about ODSP, fears of getting cut off prematurely, if I try to move forward. She helped explain how things work, and I feel a lot better.

I also challenged myself to take a long walk. I hurt a bit today:rolleyes:, particularly with the damaged foot, but maybe it is a case of 'no pain, no gain', I really need to rebuild some physical strength and I know that exercise does benefit me lots.

I used AmZ's,
Stay strong
, to help me cope with being 'out there', and I practiced mindfulness of my surroundings and of my physical movement, practiced some yogic breathing, to breathe into parts of me that were feeling stiff (hips even)-- it was a long walk.

With my social worker, we identified just two simple goals to practice immediately, and to get some applications going for transition to work programs. I'm also going to take out my goal sheets, and take some time to identify further recovery goals re: rebuilding my routines and structure.

I think I might check out an Al-Anon meeting, there's one I went to years ago (I liked it better than the ACoA group)-- it's just good perspectives and can help me clear myself of some bad coping habits (weak boundaries), but I know where it is, and I know it's a thriving group. There's also a PTSD-related group, that's starting next week via Psychiatric Survivors (well, use of their space anyhow). And to check again to see if yoga is being offered again in the community for free. These things help me get out, and I need to do that. When I over-withdraw, some of the older traumas hit me around feeling safe 'out there' (been physically/sexually assaulted, stranger attacks, just a woman walking home. . . I have some lingering trauma from those experiences). But I felt safer, secure, wearing my roomate's big, old, huge, floaty Parka and it's good, no creepy lears-- power:D (or at least an illusion of power, either way, I need that sometimes ;) just to get moving).

Today, I get to pick up a big order of fruits and vegetables, that I pre-paid and ordered through the local food bank's "Good Food Box Program", and it's a really nice thing to look forward to, lots of healthy foods, and I'll feel better about that. Healthy salads, snacks, meals. It's a deal where I can get these things at wholesale cost. I don't know what I'll get exactly, but I can enjoy the surprise of it, and getting inventive with different salads, or steamed veggie dishes. When it arrives, it feels like total opulance, a windfall, a wonderful sense of abundance.

I saw some good stuff in the coping skills section here, so I'll return to that as well-- lots of good contributions there-- it's good to look at and see.
 

CarlaMarie

Member
Thank you for sharing. I appreciate it. It sounds like you have recovery with your PTSD. I like how you got right back on track after a bump. I'm not there yet. I haven't processed all my traumas yet I am still working them through. I am still developing a system of coping with flashbacks. It takes me a while to get back on track so it was nice to hear your recovery. Like you I have had a life time of trauma. My body is now programed for trauma response. Calming it is not an easy task.
 

Justaday

Member
Thank you for sharing. I appreciate it. It sounds like you have recovery with your PTSD. I like how you got right back on track after a bump. I'm not there yet. I haven't processed all my traumas yet I am still working them through. I am still developing a system of coping with flashbacks. It takes me a while to get back on track so it was nice to hear your recovery. Like you I have had a life time of trauma. My body is now programed for trauma response. Calming it is not an easy task.

I don't think the 'work' is ever done, it's learning coping skills to live with it, and gradually it loses it's intensity.

My body too is still very programmed for trauma response as well. But I've been learning ways to intervene, and catching it earlier before it becomes full flashback. If you ever have a chance to take MBSR (Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction), or even yoga, it can really help in developing earlier recognition-- it's super-empowering to learn things like "flashback management" and to be able to apply it successfully. It's wonderful to have those moments of empowerment, gives so much hope, and that hope also helps build resilience.

I slide though and this is what I did. I too have not figured out my entire system or my able to understand and name all my triggers (and it seems there's always new ones that do a surprise attack on me :rolleyes:). I struggle a lot with hypervigilance, fear based reacting, over-alert to abuse and my trauma guilt complex, being a rescuer, to the point where it's harmful to myself, too much so.

I've read just a tiny bit re: your trauma experience, there are some similar themes. Sexual abuse is one of the harder ones for me, I tend to just footnote it, but not go into it too far, I can feel that I'm still sensitive, not desensitized, it stirs me, not good for me to over-process things.

Have you learnt about grounding and flashback management? I see you've identified as suffering from Complex PTSD, I think I carry that as well, and additionally chronic (as has been the case since 96'). I find it takes practice and experimenting with coping to find out which methods work the best for given symptoms.

The Visualization fo a Safe Place, I've discovered is really good for calming hyperarousal, hypervigilance-- it's always a good idea for me to remember to stop and calm, know that I can take some time to make decisions about my boundaries. But if I let myself slide too much, I lose the ability to access that side of me that has learnt coping skills.

I really struggled because it was so long for me to finally be able to get some proper PTSD-specific help re: the symptom management. It was hard to try to transcribe self-help books and apply the methods to myself, because I had no clue how to recognize it happening, blur, confusion. I dissociated a lot post-flashbacks, losing time. I tried to process my story, determined to kick the butt of this PTSD, but not realizing that made things a lot worse for me, it cause me to flood. Learning how and when to turn "off the tap", learning to be realistic about my current limitations and prevent flooding of flashbacks, and overwhelment/dissociation. It used to take me week to get over one, the time is shortening now, maybe a day, half a day-- if I can get it down to 5-10 minutes-- then I could work, hold down a job. And I'm just going to work towards that goal, baby steps. Being re-victimed, re-assaulted while the PTSD condition-- talk about losing a few months, fogged. Situations which were so triggering, mutliple flashbacks, and splitting and just blender-brain. It's important for me to avoid unsafe situations, avoid abusive people, predators. I need to stay away from addicts, who are violent and unstable and men who want something from me (and to not be naive anymore, and let my inner child know, I'm looking out for her-- we don't need to go into those situations).

Childhood abuse does a real number, traumatized messed up families on top of that-- splitting of the brain, and psyche, and personality, body and mind, emotion and intellect. It scared the crap out of me when I started experiencing the anxiety and all those emotions I kept back. I had a persona of "happy all the time", which also created a lot of problems for me, as a woman and to my self. I repressed my warning signal system, repressed my anger, and so I lost the ability to be mindful in protecting myself. Boundaries confusion, exploited. I'm quite a bit stronger than I was. But under certain circmstances, it's frightening to shift into a traumatized child 'ego-state' or high dissociation. There are times I've slipped there, while being able to observe, but not able to act and intervene. It's scary to be experiencing that way, but I try to let myself know that I am healing (if only after-the fact, have to keep building it up to help integrate it). I know with better self-care, I will build up better resilience to protect me from falling that low, being that fragile.


I picked up my fresh fruits and vegetables delivery (I've got a handy big back-pack [used for canoe trips]) and I made myself an awesome salad (I add in nuts for the healthy fats). It felt good to nourish myself, eating healthily. Lots of colourful fruits-- I like mixing a bit of everything, maximize the nutrients.

The staff seem really decent at that Food Bank-- it's also a community centre and they have sewing lessons there, which I think that could be something I could check out and build some skills, and just to get out. It's in walking distance too so it's not going to cost me busfare to get out (which here that's $3.25 a trip, so $6.50 a day-- that's a lot of cash, on a limited budget. When winter clears, I look forward to cycling as my main transportation)

Time for my Seroquel. I think I'm going to settle with a relaxing tea, maybe do some beading. . .
 
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