LSD Causes ?

[optimizeRu]

Hello, I tried to run a search about it and didn'f find anything related. I saw the official information, but it's too generalized. I'd like to know if LSD can actually cause mental issues by itself or it just encourages some distresses/disroders that were hidden in our brains.

I had experience with this drug in my past, I don't use for long time now. I always been somehow in negative states, mean I always tended to be a bit depressed and not-so mentally stable and it's dangerous to use this drug under these circumstances for some reason. Lately I experience a severe depression and anxiety, have been misdiagnosed with Psychotic Disorder and suspect to schizophrenia, I sometimes have strange feelings that I can't relate to depression and anxiety neither ( gotta talk this out to my psych).

A friend of mine, also experienced LSD before, and also never been mentally stabled, he was over-abusing drugs, Alcohol turns him to be out-of-control monster. He developed severe anxiety disorder with the time, I'd say delusional paranoia (maybe start of schizphrenia too?), he told me he sometimes thinks that some cops or military units might be stalking him ( he serves in IDF ), although he knows it's not true, he still afraid of that, he experiences severe anxiety especially when he's isolated, he sometimes feel that someone is screaming in his head (voices probably). He absolutely sure that it's all LSD's fault, but I think it's always been there in his head, it just was hidden in his brain, and LSD just triggered it . . . now, I'm not sure and I'm scared that he might be right, and I'll end up like him too . . I experienced some hallucinations few months after I stopped LSD, but it never happened again . .

What do you say about that ?

 

[Andy]

Welcome optimizeRu,

First I would suggest you stop with the Acid. Then try looking up "drug-induced psychosis" and I am sure you will get a lot of answers to your questions right there.
It just takes one bad hit and you can permanently change your life forever, mentally. Depression is a normal effect of any type of street drug or alcohol.
I have done my share of acid, and it can take a turn for the worse at any moment so I really do suggest you leave it alone. I have a friend who was on it and he was doing his thing and then he decided that the pool at my friends house would be fun to go dive into, except there was no water. It took him 2 years to become somewhat normal again, after teaching himself to walk and talk. He still has a brain injury. One night of "fun" I know another who thought the building was on fire and was hanging over the ledge out of a window really high up, if a couple guys didn't pull him in he would likely be dead. That's no longer fun. If you are concerned about your mental health I hope you are at least staying away from the acid.

I hope that search I suggested helps you out a bit.

 

[David Baxter PhD]

drug-induced psychosis - Google Search

LSD psychosis - Google Search

LSD and mental illness - Google Search

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[optimizeRu]

Welcome optimizeRu,

First I would suggest you stop with the Acid. Then try looking up "drug-induced psychosis" and I am sure you will get a lot of answers to your questions right there.
It just takes one bad hit and you can permanently change your life forever, mentally. Depression is a normal effect of any type of street drug or alcohol.
I have done my share of acid, and it can take a turn for the worse at any moment so I really do suggest you leave it alone. I have a friend who was on it and he was doing his thing and then he decided that the pool at my friends house would be fun to go dive into, except there was no water. It took him 2 years to become somewhat normal again, after teaching himself to walk and talk. He still has a brain injury. One night of "fun" I know another who thought the building was on fire and was hanging over the ledge out of a window really high up, if a couple guys didn't pull him in he would likely be dead. That's no longer fun. If you are concerned about your mental health I hope you are at least staying away from the acid.

I hope that search I suggested helps you out a bit.

Thanks for your concern, but I'm no longer an-LSD user, I stopped a long time ago but I'm concered that it might start affecting me now. I never saw my friends going 'crazy' while on trips compare to the cases you mentioned, nobody ever thought of anything that made him do something dangerous to himself or the enviroment, I had friends that fell into paranoia states because of really stressful events during the trip ( a friend got stabbed in a rave-party by some idiot, and another friend was being extremely paranoid for next 48 hours ), me personally, I never had really bad trips, even when the friend got stabbed I didn't panic and didn't let myself be depressed or something. However, I sometimes experienced mild-paranoias during a trip, example: I was in a psychedelic nature-party and wanted to take a walk and pee, when I went deeper into the woods to pee, I couldn't stop looking around as somebody would chase me or something, and I couldn't convince myself that this is not real, so I did my needs very fast and then run as fast as I could back into the party. It happened several times, but I never had bad hallucinations and never experienced really severe paranoia, all in all my trips were really 'goodtrips'. May be the mild-paranoias I experienced, be the factor for my anxiety issues today?

However, I saw my friend falling into a real bad trip, without any reason, he's not mentally stable as I mentioned in my last post, all friends were experiencing good trips and everything was just fine without any stressful situations and such. A prepared night for a goodtrip it was. Anyway, he experienced a real agony, a hell, he layed on the floor and kinda asked for HELP because he thought glasses crashing on his body, he was terrified and scared as hell and couldn't get out of this hallucinations. I'm pretty sure it triggered his psychosis, or it's just a PTSD that accompanied with auditory hallucinations, is that possible ?

He can't take care of himself, he's currently in the IDF and if he'll seek for treatment in the army psychiatry, he'll be kicked out just as I got kicked out. I've been diagnosed 'Acute polymorphic psychotic disorder. Susp schizophrenia paranoid' . but they diagnosed me wrong ( I gave them answers which I didn't really mean to, hoping they'll realize that it's not true, but .. ). and he can't go to a private psychiatrists since it cost hell lot of money without any insurance. I'm really worried about him and myself.

 

[HBas]

Also had my share when I was younger, sure lots of people have - till I had a bad experience. Hope that other people will never start and not have to suffer a bad experience to realize that the warnings are out there for a reason! Drugs are bad news - always!

 

[Andy]

I think that you may be talking about typical paranoia while on drugs. I'm not sure you have much to worry about, if you keep having issues while you are not taking the drug then that may be a good thing to speak to your Dr. about. Some people are a lot more susceptible (is that the right word?) to psychosis. Maybe your friend is one of them.
Also my point with the stories about the people I know was that it can take one little thing, just one, and ANYONE can get a bad hit and have a bad trip. Just because you hadn't had one yet does not mean you never would have. Plus there are external factors too. What if your high as a kite in a car and you get into an accident. In a sober person that would be really stressful, can you imagine the intensity if you were high? All kinds of things "could" happen. Hopefully you are really good friends with the person you get/got it from too, and friends with the person that they got it from etc. You do not know what they are making it with. It would not be a first time some supplier made a batch with cheap chemicals to save themselves some cash.
If you lie to your psychiatrist, you may end up with more than you bargained for first of all, and second, if your psychiatrist finds out your lying (in circumstances where your not severely ill I mean), that will be it, or a single word from you will not be believed again and it will go down in your charts so that any future psychiatrist may not believe you either. Especially if he/she put a lot of effort into trying to help you. Just saying

Do you have a psychiatrist now? Did you get put on medication?

 

[optimizeRu]

Well, I got 'kicked' out of the army recently so I stopped all therapies I was having during my service, I had my 1st meeting with a new psychiatrist. I tried to explain why I've been misdiagnosed from the first place, she asked a lot about it but she noticed that I'm not stable, she gave me Recital, meds for anxiety and depression I guess.

About the drugs, it's not about cheap chemicals and that he had no luck with his blotter or something, it's about mental stability and the experience during the trip. I don't think that 5 guys standing on feet, experiencing a damn good trip full of smiles and vibes and music, but 1dude having a nightmare, it's not the chemicals wrong, it's how he percieve things while on drug ( ofc, depending on his mental state). Believe me, I had moments that my mind could've interpret into nightmares but I managed to not let things mess with my mind, and I had to ignore stuff, I'd ignored it. A friend of my friend, once tried to scare the hell out of me during a trip, it was like my 2nd or 3rd trip, and he tried to manipulate ( not sure it's right to say), well he knew what he was doing and he tried to scare the hell out of me, I didn't got into a fight or an argument, I just kept avoiding it and it didn't hurt my trip. However, there are such situations that might happen and be very inconvenient, just like what happened with my friend once, when one of my friend got stabbed in a nature-party, we took him to the hospital and waited few hours untill they'll release him. Now, one of our friends entered some serious damn paranoia, we were still tripping, tripping hard lol, and he was delusional " What if the receptionist would report us to the cops?", suddenly after like 10 minutes, 2 cops entered the ER and he was like "What we gonna do now? what if they came for us" and I'm like,' Chill dude, it's okay, they brought a prisoner for some tests ' It's not that I wasn't tripping', I just didn't let those things mess up with my mind, instead I enjoyed watching and listening to the TV, imagining that it creates music and I'm still on that party, lol.

I've so many examples to relate that kind of stuff to individual's current mental state, and the experience during the trip ( it means what; location,music,friends etc. )

I don't lie in purpose to my psychiatrists and psychologists, what happened in my past was an accident, a mistake that I'm paying for now.

I want to mention again that I'm not using LSD since god knows when, I mean really long time and so my close friends too . . and maybe you're right that I might get a really bad trip next time I'll try to, but I don't see it happens in the near future, I had enough

 

[Andy]

I did not say your friends issues were about cheap chemicals. I don't know your friend, or have any inclination to talk about him really. I did say that anything can happen during a trip. You never know when your going to get a bad hit.
I disagree with your sentence about how people perceive things on the drug. Everyone is different one chemical in your brain may make you feel like "smiles and vibes and music", in another persons brain it can send them over the age so your theory about 5 of you having fun and 1 has a bad trip, may mean that 4 of your brains are accepting the drug while your 1 friends brain is not. For example, You may be able to take an aspirin and it will cure your headache. If I took an aspirin it would do nothing for me at all. In my opinion. Obviously someones state of mind makes a difference.
As far as your friend in the ER being paranoid. That sounds like normal drug-induced paranoia to me.

I heard you when you said you were not using acid anymore, I wasn't implying anything or lecturing you to stop lol Just talking.

What do you mean you don't lie on purpose to your Psychiatrist and Psychologist? It can't be accidental can it? I'm just teasing you.

I am glad that you have a new Psychiatrist and she is helping you with some meds. Maybe she can help you out with some of these questions.

 

[optimizeRu]

Thanks mate.

I still don't get your point, I mean if his brain rejects the chemicals, how comes it turns to be a bad trip with nightmarish hallucinations ? why it has to be something negative, and if it rejects the drug I think he shouldn't have hallucinations and stuff, it makes sense ? oh, I don't know it's just weird

Yeah about the psychiatrists, it's a really long story and don't tease me lol ^_^ it really was accidental. I was treated in army in psychotherapies with a psychologist who actually gave up on me because I didn't share much and couldn't share problems, he noticed I'm suffering but didn't have any directions so referred me to a psychiatrist. Back then, I didn't know that psychiatrists don't spent their 1hour meeting on "let's talk it out", they checking you out to have a diagnosis about you. The psychiatrist started to ask me those questions that freaked me out such as "Do you think someone is following you or chasing you" , "Someone in your forces you to answer questions "IDontKnow"?" ,"Do you think your thoughts aren't yours?" .
All those questions freaked me out made me really stressed and extremely anxious because it was far from the state I felt I was in, I had severe anxiety issues and depression, and from the stress and pressure, I told him I hear voices sometimes lol, he suspected I'm in psychotic state blah blah blah this is where things got complicated and I got this ugly misdiagnosis ^_^ so . . .
it wasn't on purpose STP

I'm glad too, I have a meeting today with my new psych, hope things go well . . .

 

[Andy]

I don't mean that his brain rejected the chemicals and he didn't get any high from it. Maybe reject was the wrong word. His brain didn't tolerate the chemicals in the way everyone elses did. I meant like your brain responded in a positive high and his brain reacted differently and ended up with a bad trip. If your friend's brain was more susceptible to psychosis that could also effect how his body reacts to things. I don't know. Everybody's body is different in how it responds to anything.

I'm sure they aren't thinking schizophrenia if your on an anti-depressant. That is a good thing! I wish you well with your new Psychiatrist! Take care.