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Ronbell

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I find even treated for my ADHD there is one problem that still lingers: My brain hates to learn. It avoids it at all cost. Although the medication eliminates the feeling of restlessness (which when treated usually allows people to focus) ;still manages to manifest itself through a more artificial forced distraction, ie: it isn't as apparent when restlessness is pulling my attention. It typically also plays with my reward centre.

It doesn't even have to be in the context of academics either. For example:

I will travel similar routes to known places to avoid learning new ones, even if it's out of the way. If I go a different route, I'll be thinking about how I can merge this new route into my old, and I'll be thinking about how much better the other way was...even if it wasn't.

While I'm trying to learn a new skill: (For example, right now I've taken up the guitar and drawing) Anytime I start drawing, or playing the guitar, if it involves mental effort like learning a new chord, or learning how to read music, my mind will drift onto some other task that it may find to be more rewarding, or even something that just requires less mental effort --like watching a movie.

Here's my internal dialogue:

Me: Ok, so the F A C E is the notes on the open areas, and E G B D F is the lines. OK so what am I looking at right now?

ADHD: I think that's an E. I don't know, lets do it later, lets just do what you already know: E F and G.

Me: I'm good with E F and G, I need to practice B C and D.

ADHD: It's going to be hard; lets go get something to drink.

Me: OK fine, that does sound pretty good.


It's really odd. My medication treats my feelings of restlessness, but it still is incapable of allowing "me" to have full control. I don't feel like I need to keep moving quite as much. I can sit still. But if it requires mental effort, my brain still screams at me.

I would like to believe that catering to the predisposition that conditions need to be ideal to perform that task would actually allow me to do it, but it just creates more excuses and often leads to impulse decisions which also have no affect. (Example: buying a metronome because I think it will allow me to better time my strumming, and allow me to do it easier--I have wasted THOUSANDS of dollars this year alone on similar themes)

There are many skills I would like to learn, but slaying my brain is the hardest part. Anyone have tips they use while trying to focus on improving a skill? Any idea why my distraction no longer seems tied to my restlessness, but still affects my ability to focus? The things I enjoy won't change, but at this pace it will take me an eternity to actually receive any satisfaction for my efforts.

Any dietary changes help? Increased or decreased sleep? Different times of the day you find you're more in control? What's your strategies?

I get plenty of exercise, 7-8 hours sleep a night--even if it's never a night through--, I eat moderately well.

Any feedback would be appreciated.
 

Dragonfly

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Re: Mental effort avoidance and distractibility...what's the difference?

Ronbell, I am sure that others can provide more insight into this than I can. My immediate thoughts are about "can't" vs. "won't". The "can't" part would be the distractibility that comes with ADD, the "won't" would be the part that comes with .... better things to do ..... lack of practice at focussing .... not really wanting .....

I know for sure that this is simplistic. But .... how do you practice at focussing .... if you have years of experience not being focussed? ....

Again, I am sure that someone on this site will be more of a help than I can be. Just wanted to let you know that your question caught my interest ...
 

Ronbell

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Re: Mental effort avoidance and distractibility...what's the difference?

I don't think it's a case of not really wanting. At least, I think it may be a shift in polarity.

In the past prior to medications there would be certain activities that I would spend excessive amounts of time doing. For example, I used to play video games up to 16 hours a day (sometimes longer). Since being treated, I'm incapable of doing such things. I continue to buy video games even though playing them has the same affect playing guitar also has. Except I don't play them at all.

I think your point of not properly knowing how to structure myself may hold some merit. As it is evident that it happens more in recreation than at work. (Although I am a couple weeks behind in paper work) It's just hard to believe despite my resolve.

I still think something biological is at play, because my willpower is strong, and if I force myself to work beyond the discomfort, it just creates fatigue. That fatigue has led to burnout in the past, which has led to lost jobs, relationships, and deterioration of my physical health.

I have too much of a good thing going on right now to tackle this problem head on, as it will dramatically affect my long term goals if I allow myself to fully devote my efforts to persuing proper habits. I'm looking for small things that I can gradually incorporate into my routine that may help. Even if others have noticed similar problems in the past that were rectified when treating an underlying condition.
 

Daniel E.

daniel@psychlinks.ca
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Re: Mental effort avoidance and distractibility...what's the difference?

I'm looking for small things that I can gradually incorporate into my routine that may help.

Maybe move around (exercise) more between or during cognitive tasks? Not to mention that exercise in general can help:

Does Exercise Improve Concentration? - LIVESTRONG.COM

---------- Post added at 07:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:59 PM ----------

More specifically:

If certain tasks are hard, do them immediately after intense physical exercise. Don't shower. Let the brain chemicals affected by exercise work for you.

http://forum.psychlinks.ca/adhd-and-learning-disabilities/5653-coping-with-adhd-on-the-job.html

Activities that combine physical and mental focus, such as martial arts, yoga and dancing, may be the most effective at increasing concentration and improving the symptoms of ADHD.

Does Exercise Improve Concentration? - LIVESTRONG.COM
Many people with ADHD find taking a quick break and walking outside helps to increase their focus. If this is impossible, getting up, doing some stretches at your desk, or taking a walk around your office may help. Experiment to find out what works best for you.

The Complete Idiot's Guide to Adult ADHD - Google Books
 

Daniel E.

daniel@psychlinks.ca
Administrator
Re: Mental effort avoidance and distractibility...what's the difference?

I get plenty of exercise

I missed that :) Still, the timing of the exercise may help, e.g. between or even during tasks (like sitting on an exercise ball like they do at Google while working -- which is obviously a very low intensity thing).

My brain hates to learn. It avoids it at all cost.

"Learning how to learn" is something I learned as a side effect of taking challenging grad courses. I thought I learned it as an undergrad years ago, but there was still lots of room for improvement. My psychiatrist had tips for me, too, since she obviously was able to complete medical school. She thought the most important thing was changing the environment, e.g. less distractions at the library than at home with so many electronic gizmos.

From my favorite blog during that time:

The Guitar Player Paradox
I’m intrigued by this observation that we prefer stress over hard focus...

Hard focus, at first, can be incredibly uncomfortable — so much so that we’d rather accept 12 hour days of regular work than spend 2 hours on intense concentration. The good news is that, as Haruki Murakami taught us, hard focus is a practiced skill. If you improve this ability enough, the guitar player path might eventually seem less onerous.

http://forum.psychlinks.ca/mental-h...s/21006-the-winning-edge-grit-not-frenzy.html

Anyway, regarding ADHD:

http://forum.psychlinks.ca/adhd-and-learning-disabilities/22117-mindfulness-and-adhd-a-new-resource.html

http://forum.psychlinks.ca/adhd-and-learning-disabilities/27184-reframing-adult-adhd.html#post190941
 
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