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Pepsi

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I am a 27 years old male from London, UK

This is a question I have been wanting to ask here for ages, but couldn't really find the right words, today I thought I would give it a shot

I have tried to make the points simple. I would really appreciate for some opinions :)

It is about my dad, who the whole family have felt over the years has the wrong attitude about things He isn't a nasty person to people he knows, he would never harm anyone physically, but I think he has issues with letting things go, or he holds on to silly things. But he isn't sociable to people who he comes into contact with, even when he used to visit me at work, he would embarrass me, by being ignorant to my work friends. He is extremely quiet, and inside himself

I am going to start off by saying that my dad had a good childhood, he had very VERY good parents, who always made sure both him and his brother got things, and had enjoyment. They took my dad and his brother holidays every year, not just to places like Butlins, but also America, Spain, and Italy..and this was in the early 70's. They also made sure they were clothed, and brought them up well. His mum and dad also were very nice people, never abused them physically, or mentally when him and his brother were kids, my dad has even told me he had a great childhood.

Lastly, he is very confident in his beliefs, and he always does what he wants to do, like going vacation every year, to far countries not many people go to, buying the things he likes to collect like records, etc. And he is very extreme in the way he protects his stuff,like they are sacred or something. I understand people want to look after their things, but he starts dancing on hot bricks if you even go to touch one of his books or records, just to have a look

I am currently in real hell in my life at the moment, mentally, physically, and financially.

Whenever my dad comes round, he expects me to do stuff, that I find dreadfully difficult to do, because of my circumstances, and my mental state, and these things in turn benefits him in one way or another, although some of the things he says is to help me out, which isn't true, I feel, because of body language, and the stuff he comes out with. He comes out with things that make him look like he is scared he is going to lose something

Whatever I feel at the moment, he laughs it off, or rubbish's it, by brushing what I tell him away by forcing HIS opinions of things, that are totally irrelevant to me because of how my natural make up is... he ONLY thinks and advises what would suit HIM, and when you tell him so, and that what he is saying isn't right, he starts ignoring you.

My dad admitted to me the other day that he hates responsibility and he also admitted that since I was born, he has tried to avoid the responsibilities he had while I was growing up, and said he always shut himself away from them. I think he fears things

My dad is very anti social, he would NEVER speak to any stranger in the street, or in a bar, or strike up a conversation, or respond to someone attempting a conversation with him, and the only time he will talk is when he is at the shop, or restaurant ordering something. When my friends came round to my house, when my dad used to live with me and my mum, he would never say hello to them, he never even acknowledged they were there, for example, when one of my friends would pass my dad in the hallway, he would try and say hello to him, but my dad just out his head down, skulk passed, then totally blank him. If my friend was lucky, my dad would raise his hand very quickly then grunt "Er". My dad is even like this in family get togethers, maybe a tad better....but when cousins, or uncles, etc would come round, he would usually just sit down and put his headphones on, and block us out... unless he is talking about one of his interests, but if it isn't about what he likes, he just sits in the corner

He is very VERY VERY narrow minded, he likes ONE music group, and is only interested in what they do, collects EVERY little thing of theirs, he likes one genre of film, and only a certain type of it, and he tries to force those two things down peoples throats, gets startled when you say your not interested, yet when you try to show him something, he runs away, shields himself, or shuts off and ignores you, and tells you what you like is crap, and is very biased about his interests

He isn't domesticated at all, for example cooking, cleaning, ironing, or simply using a micro wave. Me and the rest of the family have said to him that boiling an egg, or using a microwave is easy, and that it will save him a lot of hassle... but he just responds with "NAH!!!!!! can't do that, I hate all that, I just can't do it!!" I mean, press a button on a micro wave, it's not exactly cooking a masterpiece meal is it.... He won't even try, he refuses to

When going anywhere with someone he only go's to places he wants to go to, or only is interested or willing to talk about the places he likes going to. He never sees anything from anyone elses point of view, or he won't even attempt to listen to other peoples points of view, and again, shuts him self off and ignores it, or grunts at it, then brushes it away. He says he hates phones, yet he will phone his mum (my nan of course lol) when he is in trouble, or needs something... yet he will never just randomly phone my nan up, like his brother (my uncle) does, to see how she is.. NEVER.. and she needs help right now, because she has had trauma in the last few years, and has a weak heart, and when you ask him why, he just says he hates phones, and hates ringing people.

When he go's round to his mums, when she answers the door, he never asks how she is when entering, or when he first sees her, just walks straight through, sits down, and either puts his headphones on, or starts rambling on about what he is doing, or what he has seen, etc.. but never asks Nan about herself. We asked him why he doesn't do this, he told us he hates saying hello to people, and asking how they are.... ???? He says he does care, but if he cared, why doesn't he do these things automatically? He won't even do it when we ask him too

Thanks :)
 
Hi hun sorry no one here can diagnose you fathers condition that should be done by his doctor someone that has the knowlege of his history and that is qualified to do so.
 

Mari

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H! Pepsi. I think it can be difficult to deal with when it is your father. My mother is the difficult one, and a few of my siblings. One way I have to help me sort out the problems is to think of the way they are as someone not related to me. If he was not your father but just someone you knew how would you see him as a person? I do not really have an opinion and even if I met him I am not very good with giving an opinion on someone. You previously had a note about your brother and I hope that he is okay.
 

Pepsi

Member
Hi hun sorry no one here can diagnose you fathers condition that should be done by his doctor someone that has the knowlege of his history and that is qualified to do so.

I wasn't asking anyone to diagnose my dads condition, I was just asking for second opinions on what type of person he comes across as, character wise
 

rdw

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Pepsi it doesn't really matter what opinion we have of your dad, it simply boils down to how you view your dad. The most important thing to know is that you cannot change him, what he does or does not do. The only thing you can change is how you react to him. You need to distinguish between what is your problem and what is not your problem. For example you state he doesn't phone your grandmother unless he needs something - that is not your problem. It is unfortunate but that is between her and your father to straighten out if they choose. You say that he refuses to learn how to use a microwave - again his problem. If he's hungry enough he'll figure something out or he won't and will go hungry. Last example - you state that he is narrow minded. Again his loss if he chooses not to look at what the world has to offer. Good luck with finding your way in this relationship.
 

Pepsi

Member
Pepsi it doesn't really matter what opinion we have of your dad, it simply boils down to how you view your dad. The most important thing to know is that you cannot change him, what he does or does not do. The only thing you can change is how you react to him. You need to distinguish between what is your problem and what is not your problem. For example you state he doesn't phone your grandmother unless he needs something - that is not your problem. It is unfortunate but that is between her and your father to straighten out if they choose. You say that he refuses to learn how to use a microwave - again his problem. If he's hungry enough he'll figure something out or he won't and will go hungry. Last example - you state that he is narrow minded. Again his loss if he chooses not to look at what the world has to offer. Good luck with finding your way in this relationship.

That was the whole point of my question.. we view my dad as someone who is self centered, scared of some of the basic things in life, and never willing to go out of his way for people. We have kept telling him this, and he refuses to accept that these things are true, which is why I pointed the things out so people can give their opinions as well.

The points I made in my first post are things that hinder our relationship with my dad, in a lot of ways.

Thanks
 

David Baxter PhD

Late Founder
we view my dad as someone who is self centered, scared of some of the basic things in life, and never willing to go out of his way for people. We have kept telling him this, and he refuses to accept that these things are true

"What is truth?" ~ Pontius Pilate

First, what you perceive and believe, and more specifically how you view your father, is simply that: your view. It doesn't matter if that view is shared by many other people or by no one else at all. It also doesn't matter whether or not your father shares your view. Most of us are blind to certain things about ourselves - or it may be that your father does see those traits in him but chooses not to acknowledge them to you or others for any number of reasons having to do with his self-concept or self-esteem or with the nature of your relationship and interactions.

Second, what does it matter whether or not he "accepts these things [as] true"? What would change in his behavior or in your relationship if he DID accept them? Indeed, if those things are objectively accurate, it would be surprising if he did accept them.

Sometimes the best thing you can do is to recognize what you can change and what you can't. As the Serenity Prayer says,

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.
 

Sonya

Member
Hi Pepsi,

I understand your frustration.

My dad will only do what he is told to do by my mother. If she doesn't give him permission to visit me, he won't. He won't even pick up the phone to call me.

My mother is an abusive, cruel person. She verbally and sometimes physically abuses my dad. I have cut ties with her, which also meant cutting ties with my dad, since they live together and she doesn't allow him to answer the phone.

I will never figure my dad out. I wish I could change him or say something that would open his eyes, but he is in his 70's now, and the chances of him changing at this point are nil.

My dad has always been distant and closed-minded, but I would still like to see him and hug him, even though he doesn't really hug back.

I stopped trying to figure out why he is the way he is a long time ago.

We can never know what is going on in someone else's head or exactly why they behave the way they do.

My mother taught me what kind of person NOT to be. I think the same is true of your dad.

Cherish the fact that you have a relationship with your dad, even if he's not the person you would like him to be.
 

Pepsi

Member
How about the fact that he admitted he hates responsibility and that he avoided it at all costs while I was a kid?

The way him and my mum brought me up really messed me up as a person, and I am now struggling to make my life right, really am

They both dragged me about in the mud as far as I can see
 

ladybug1966

Member
Hey Pepsi -

I agree with what the others have said, it doesn't matter what anyone else's opinion/view point/judgement is on your father, it comes down to how you feel towards your father. That's the one thing I'm struggling with and have struggled with over the years. I could never find the right therapist because they all seemed to judge my father. I finally found one that didn't judge him and who's main focus was to help me work through my feelings to figure out what I was feeling, what I needed, and wanted long/short term. My father avoids responsibility and has his entire life. I can't fix that and I can't change him; no one can except for him. He has to be willing to see that something is wrong to seek help in the first place to begin the process and my father hasn't and I'm not sure if he will. I did realize I had control over me, myself. I finally decided to stop seeing and speaking to my father as it wasn't healthy or safe for me. Things became 'calmer' for me. It wasn't easy, but it got easier. (It was a different situation than yours, though.)

I am sorry you are going through this. At the end of the day, it boils down to how do you feel? Working through your emotions and accepting you cannot change the things you have no control over. You can work through emotions, use your supports, etc., but others' opinions are simply that: their opinion. You have control over you, you do not have control over him.

Take care.
 
Hi Pepsi,

Well, I think maybe you are looking for some kind of validation. You don't want to feel the way you feel when you are around your dad. You want someone to tell you something in this forum that we really can't tell you...

I have a mother like your dad. My choice was to go to therapy. I got the answers I wanted. I wasn't the crazy one, but being raised by someone who made me feel bad all my life made me FEEL crazy. I had to unlearn a few things (still am) because inside the family unit behind closed doors things are kept from the outside, and you have to do things/think things to survive your childhood... But those behaviours and survival methods can make it tough to live in the real world after you leave that family unit.

I would strongly suggest you get a good objective opinion from a therapist. They have really good resources, they can help you understand/deal with other people (like your dad), they can help you change the way you deal with your thoughts and feelings. Who knows, if you have more of an understanding about your father, maybe his behaviour won't bother you so much. On the other hand, it does sometimes take a long time to realize that it's possible a person can't, or thinks he can't change, or doesn't want to.

The problem with me was, I would try to change someone to be the way I wanted them "out of love," but it always ended up backfiring, and it was me who ended up compromising myself. That was an unhealthy behaviour I learned from my own parents. Maybe the therapist could show you how to lay down some boundaries for your dad, "Dad, you have your opinions (music) and I have mine. I am an individual, separate from you. Just because I don't choose exactly what you choose, it doesn't mean I am rejecting you. I love you for who you are, not what your opinion is (or what music you listen to). I hope you can love me for who I am, not for what my opinions are (or what music I listen to)."

Some people do think that if you don't like what they like, don't do what they say, don't be who they want you to be, that you are rejecting them. Some people don't understand that other people are individuals who have their own lives, their own thoughts, their own ways of doing things, and the very thought that a person is independent of them threatening somehow. But you can't change those people, they have to want to change themselves. So in the meantime, you can only do what was already suggested to get the answers you seek: change your behaviour, seek therapy, avoid him unless he respects your boundaries, find understanding about him and perhaps love him in spite of the behaviour that you find so hard to deal with. Or if you feel threatened or feel wounded or upset every time he is in contact with you, you can limit your contact or you can completely cut off all contact.

Hopefully these suggestions help.
 

Sonya

Member
Pepsi,

That may have been your Dad's way of apologizing to you for not being the dad you needed him to be.

My mother can't apologize, but once she told me that she didn't realize that the best years of her life were when her children were growing up, and she wished she had it to do over. I took that as her way of saying she was sorry.

A lot of people are "messed up" as a result of their childhoods. We can learn from what we went through, we can go to therapy, we can find forums like this to talk to others who have walked in our shoes. We all want to know "why me?".

I spent half my lifetime doing just that before I came to the realization that I will never know the answer and that I need to move forward and be the best person I can be in spite of the fact that I don't, and never will have stable parents.

I hope that you quickly overcome your struggles and move forward with much success and happiness.
 
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