Depersonalization disorder

[David Baxter PhD]

Depersonalization disorder
By Mayo Clinic staff
July 11, 2009

Depersonalization is a sense that things around you aren't real, or the feeling that you're observing yourself from outside your body. Feelings of depersonalization can be very disturbing and may feel like you're losing your grip on reality or living in a dream. Many people have a passing experience of depersonalization at some point. But when feelings of depersonalization keep occurring, or never completely go away, it's considered depersonalization disorder. Depersonalization disorder can be severe and may interfere with relationships, work and other daily activities.

Symptoms
Depersonalization disorder symptoms include:

• Continuous or recurring feelings that you're an outside observer of your thoughts, your body or parts of your body
• Numbing of your senses or responses to the world around you
• Feeling like a robot or feeling like you're living in a dream or in a movie
• The sensation that you aren't in control of your actions, including speaking
• Awareness that your sense of detachment is only a feeling, and not reality

Other symptoms can include:

• The sense that your body, legs or arms appear distorted, enlarged or shrunken
• Feeling like you are observing yourself from above, as if you were floating in the air
• Feeling emotionally disconnected from people you care about

While episodes of depersonalization may last only a short time, some people with depersonalization disorder have episodes that last hours, days, weeks or even months at a time. In some people these episodes turn into ongoing feelings of depersonalization that may periodically get better or worse.

When to see a doctor
Passing feelings of depersonalization are common, and aren't necessarily a cause for concern. But ongoing or severe feelings of detachment can be a sign of depersonalization disorder or another physical or mental health condition. See a doctor if you have feelings of depersonalization that:

• Are disturbing you or are emotionally disruptive
• Don't go away, or keep coming back
• Interfere with work, relationships or daily activities

Causes
Feeling of depersonalization may:

• Begin with no apparent trigger
• Start after a life-threatening event, such as an accident or assault
• Be triggered by fear of having another depersonalization experience

With depersonalization disorder, feelings of depersonalization aren't directly caused by drugs, alcohol or a medical condition. However, depersonalization may be triggered by stress or trauma, and it often occurs along with other mental health conditions such as anxiety, depression or schizophrenia. In some cases, it starts suddenly without an apparent cause.

While the exact cause of depersonalization disorder isn't well understood, it appears to be linked to the balance of certain brain chemicals (neurotransmitters).

Risk factors
While anyone can develop depersonalization disorder, you're at increased risk if:

• You've been involved in or witnessed a traumatic or life-threatening experience, such as an automobile accident.
• You're in your mid- to late teens or early adulthood. Depersonalization disorder is rare in children and older adults.
• You have panic disorder, depression, schizophrenia, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) or multiple personality disorder.

Complications
An episode of depersonalization can be frightening. It can cause:

• Trouble focusing on tasks or remembering things, interfering with work and other routine activities
• Reluctance to leave home
• Fear of being alone or away from people you trust

Preparing for your appointment
You're likely to start by first seeing your family doctor or a general practitioner.

• If a clear diagnosis can't be made by your family doctor, you may be referred to a neurologist (a doctor who specializes in brain and nervous system disorders) or psychiatrist (a doctor who specializes in diagnosing and treating mental disorders).
• Your doctor or doctors will want to make sure your symptoms aren't caused by an underlying neurological condition such as epilepsy or another disorder.
• Because depersonalization disorder sometimes occurs along with depression or other psychological disorders, your doctor may also want to investigate whether you may have one of these conditions as well.

Because appointments can be brief, and because there's often a lot of ground to cover, it's a good idea to be well prepared for your appointment. Here's some information to help you get ready for your appointment, and what to expect from your doctor.

What you can do

• Write down any symptoms you're experiencing, including any that may seem unrelated to the reason for which you scheduled the appointment.
• Write down key personal information, including any major stresses or recent life changes.
• Make a list of all medications, vitamins and supplements that you're taking.
• Take a family member or friend along, if possible. Sometimes it can be difficult to soak up all the information provided to you during an appointment. Someone who accompanies you may remember something that you missed or forgot.
• Write down questions to ask your doctor.

Your time with your doctor is limited, so preparing a list of questions ahead of time will help you make the most of your time together. List your questions from most important to least important in case time runs out. Some basic questions to ask your doctor include:

• What is likely causing my symptoms or condition?
• Are there other possible causes for my symptoms or condition?
• What kinds of tests do I need?
• What is the best course of action?
• What are the alternatives to the primary approach that you're suggesting?
• Should I see a specialist? What will that cost, and will my insurance cover seeing a specialist?
• Is there a generic alternative to the medicine you're prescribing me?
• Are there any brochures or other printed material that I can take home with me? What Web sites do you recommend visiting?

In addition to the questions that you've prepared to ask your doctor, don't hesitate to ask questions during your appointment at any time that you don't understand something.

What to expect from your doctor
Your doctor is likely to ask you a number of questions. Being ready to answer them may reserve time to go over any points you want to spend more time on. Your doctor may ask:

• When did you first begin experiencing symptoms?
• Have your symptoms been continuous or occasional?
• How severe are your symptoms?
• What, if anything, seems to improve your symptoms?
• What, if anything, appears to worsen your symptoms?
• Do you have any chronic health conditions?
• Do you have any mental health disorders, such as anxiety, depression or post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)?
• What medications or herbal supplements do you take?
• Do you use drugs or drink alcohol?

Tests and diagnosis
To be diagnosed with depersonalization disorder, you must meet the symptom criteria spelled out in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). This manual is published by the American Psychiatric Association and is used by mental health providers to diagnose mental conditions and by insurance companies to reimburse for treatment. To be diagnosed with depersonalization disorder, you must have the following signs and symptoms:

• You have persistent or recurrent experiences of feeling detached from your thinking, emotions or your body. You may feel like an outside observer watching yourself, or as if you were in a dream.
• During the depersonalization experience, you are aware that the experience is not "real."
• Depersonalization causes significant distress or interferes with your social life, job, or other important areas of your life.
• The depersonalization experience isn't directly caused by another mental disorder, such as schizophrenia, panic disorder, acute stress disorder, or another dissociative disorder, and is not due to the direct physiological effects of alcohol, drugs or a medical condition (such as epilepsy, for example).

Your doctor will want to make sure your feelings of depersonalization aren't due to some other disorder, such as depression, schizophrenia or epilepsy. You may need further evaluation or tests to rule out these and other causes.

Treatments and drugs
Treatment of depersonalization disorder may include:

• Psychological counseling. This helps you understand why depersonalization occurs and trains you to stop worrying about the symptoms so that they go away. Depersonalization disorder may also improve when counseling helps with other psychological conditions, such as depression.
• Medications. While there are no mediations specifically approved to treat depersonalization disorder, a number of medications generally used to treat depression and anxiety may help. Some examples that have been shown to relieve symptoms include fluoxetine (Prozac), clomipramine (Anafranil) and clonazepam (Klonopin).

Coping and support
While depersonalization can be frightening, it isn't necessarily harmful. Realizing that you don't have some major neurological problem or serious mental illness can be very reassuring, and may help you cope with depersonalization.

• Read about the condition. A number of books are available that discuss why depersonalization occurs and how to cope with it.
• Join a support group. Web sites and local support groups can help you recognize you aren't alone and learn what helps others.
• Practice specific therapy techniques. Counseling for depersonalization may involve practicing certain techniques to help resolve feelings of depersonalization on a daily basis. Two such techniques include cognitive behavioral therapy and dialectical behavior therapy.

See Also
Dissociative disorders

References

• Depersonalization disorder. In Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV-TR. 4th ed. Arlington, Va.: American Psychiatric Association; 2000. PsychiatryOnline - Home
• Simeon D. Depersonalization disorder: A contemporary overview. CNS Drugs. 2004;18:343.
• Depersonalization disorder. In Moore DP, et al. Handbook of Medical Psychiatry. 2nd ed. Philadelphia, Pa.: Mosby; 2004. Chapter 97 – Depersonalization Disorder (DSM-IV-TR #300.6)

 

[songbird]

Derealization, depersonalization and anhedonia, were of the top 3 symptoms that made me feel like I was losing my grasp on reality before getting the 'unofficial ' diagnosis of cptsd/pdsd. It brought me to my knees, robbed me of all composure and allowed me this perfect little window to view myself, seeing how insane I appeared and how implausible my experience sounded. It hit me like it was the grim reaper himself.

I find that the more I understand about the connections between the brain (the heart) and behavior, the more empowered I feel.

Thanks for posting so much helpful information.

 

[AmZ]

Is there anything else asides from Depersonalization disorder which can cause (very) similar symptoms listed in this article?

 

[SilentNinja]

I get this alot but i see it as a gift, its not depersonalization disorder i have but i have the ability to see in 3rd person at anytime, like i can look down from above and see this "game" of life going on,, time going on and how people react, behave, and i feel different, like i shouldnt be part of this species. Sounds a bit mad, but its not. .. again one of my pointless posts that never helps, i just never seen this thread before, so thought id just reply.

 

[Andy]

Is there anything else asides from Depersonalization disorder which can cause (very) similar symptoms listed in this article?

Bagh, there is another term but I can't remember it, I was going to say derealization lol but I think my stupid brain just made that word up. lol I'm to lazy to check. I know you can have depersonalization without having the disorder as I have times of this but not necessarily seriously enough to have a disorder.
If your just starting medication though you may very well just be feeling a little out of sorts until your brain and body get use to the med. Unless you were feeling "similar symptoms" prior to medication.

I'm sure there may be other things that may cause a person to feel similar symptoms, I was going to say some form of detachment too but I have no idea if that's right, I cannot think right now, but there are a couple ideas to look up maybe and see. If you can't find derealization, definitely stop looking.


P.S Your posts are never pointless SN. Same thing SN, I am the same way and i think you can experience depersonalization without having the full blown disorder.

Oh! There's dissociation too I guess, Amz look that one up too. lol

 

[AmZ]

.. again one of my pointless posts that never helps

Stop saying that and just post Seriously, in all honesty, your posts are not pointless or stupid.

STP - Ahh, so many terms, so little time!

Therapist4me.com Dissociation is a common symptoms of depression and anxiety. A fact that many therapists don't understand. Many people have sought therapy out for a depressive or anxiety related disorder only to find that therapy and medication don't do enough. The problem often is because the client's dissociation is ignored or unrecognized by a clinician. Thus whenever the depression and anxiety is experienced, you may "check out" - leaving the very reasons you become depressed or anxious unintegrated! It is a huge problem because many clinicians have no idea how important a good understanding of dissociation is in the treatment of more common clinical problems!

MMM?

I know you can have depersonalization without having the disorder as I have times of this but not necessarily seriously enough to have a disorder.

I'll put it down to that Yesterday was the weirdest of them all. I feel like this Depersonalization/dissociation/dis-whatever feelings on my bad days... Like my body is disconnected from my mind and what I'm doing. Like floating along and can't even focus or make myself aware of me putting one foot in front of the other whilst walking etc. Like you say STP, no doubt, a lot of people can feel these things without necessarily having this disorder. Was just weird yesterday. These feelings were mixed with my mind thinking that I didn't care if I got ran over or hurt and my body was just floating and doing whatever and didn't feel like I was in control. Just crossing the road and doing it with my body and not thinking with my mind to see if cars were coming, just thinking I didn't give a darn if I got ran over... I guess that's what happens when you mix a bad depressed day with OCD thoughts and well, those OCD thoughts could have actually happened, but I didn't get ran over, so still live to see the day. ha ha ha ha *sarcastic laughing* - Wasn't a suicide intention, but was just visioning me being hit by a car and being injured and not really caring whatsoever.

Anyway, over and out.

 

[Andy]

...doing it with my body and not thinking with my mind...

Story of my life.

Maybe you were just in a state of...I don't give a **** er hoot. I guess it's a good thing that thoughts are just that. A little suicide ideation maybe?
If this is something new, then it could very well be the medication and it may take time to adjust.

 

[AmZ]

Yea, I was feeling like that... But not suicide. I mentioned in another thread about noticing how the intrusive thoughts I've been having have changed over time... The most recent is either me hurting someone else and then went to me hurting myself. It's a pretty big compulsion/urge I'm having to be honest. I don't know why. Just pi**ed off, depressed, don't care. But when I just walked out in the street yesterday and didn't look, that wasn't just a thought. I did it. Guess I was lucky there wasn't a car close enough. Yesterday I just wanted to stay laying on my sofa with my eyes closed and stay like that all day.

I don't think it's the meds causing it, BUT, it's that the dosage isn't high enough, so I saw my psychiatrist yesterday after being on 75mg of Effexor for a month and am now taking 112.5mg for a week and will see how I feel. Throughout all of this, the bad days weren't so bad in the beginning and they have gotten gradually worse until yesterday which was like no other day I've ever had in my life! Anyway, will see how the higher dosage is, and no doubt will need 150mg. But will see.

 

[Andy]

Well hopefully the next dose works and you don't need to go up to 150. Why do you say no doubt you will need 150?

 

[AmZ]

The psychiatrist told me to go up to 150mg already and he's probably right.
From other info I got on this forum and reading, it seems that especially for people with OCD etc, they often need higher doses.
I just asked if I could go to 112.5mg (1 1/2 tablets) because I prefer to do it gradually anyway and maybe it would be enough. But more than likely, it won't be.
Anyway, the 75mg tablets are virtually impossible to cut in half even with the best pill cutter as they have no score line - so hey, pop 2 instead of messing around with broken up tablets which is not good! Sorry about that, just being stupid... But really, if I need a higher dosage (75mg is in most cases not enough) and a minimum of 150mg is recommended, then that's probably where I will end up and hopefully that will be the right dosage.

 

[Andy]

Yeah, breaking tablets sucks. When I cut them I always send half of the them flying across the room.
Oh I see, I didn't know there was a specific dose for OCD. Well I hope that the lower helps but whatever the good doc says right. I was on it a long time ago for depression I guess, one of my "issues" anyway, I was on quite a high dose though so maybe that is typical for depression.

 

[AmZ]

Yea, and that's prob why the pills are designed as they are. I'm probably right in saying that when you raise the dosage of Effexor, as the min tablet is 75mg, with no score line, you increment by 75mg, so I should go really from 75mg to 150mg. Anyway, I still want to do the 112.5mg for a week and raise it gradually so my body can get used to more and hopefully clear me of any side effects all of a sudden.