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David Baxter PhD

Late Founder
Many Selves, One Mindful Direction
by john
May 3rd, 2009

I walk around with a crowd inside - so many selves wanting to go in different directions. Too many voices are talking all at once, and it?s hard to pick out the one I need to listen to right now. Here?s the intuitive talker, waking up with the big picture and the ideas for what I?ll get done on my blogs today - he?s the one I want. Then that anxious kid, unready for the day, prickly at every detail, tries to noise the others out with TV static.

But here?s my writing, creative buddy, who pours peacefulness into a cleared space he holds open for me. But that physical guy is pushing me out the door to stretch all those muscles and finish the undone, hard work in gardens and fields. Always, of course, the damn depressive self, is trying to get back on top and sit with invisible weight on all the others, telling me I?ll never get anything done - so why try?

I am struggling to push aside the intruders shouldering into this moment and sit with the intuitive, creative me in my study. Right now they?re pushing me to get this blog post into shape, and it?s getting easier to hear what they?re saying. Of course, a worrying, list-maker keeps dragging my thoughts to the other 25 things I need to start doing. I tear up the latest scrap of paper he?s pushing in front of the computer screen.

However unruly and full of fight these competing selves may be, they have to stay together, and a gathering mind, always insisting that I?m just one man after all, manages to keep them in the right formation. They?re like flights of birds in migration - either they fly together behind this binding me, or, one by one, they fall by the wayside and are lost.

Paul Bloom, a psychologist, wrote in a recent Atlantic article about research that reinforces the idea that we consist of different selves. This could be much more than a metaphor for inner conflict. Instead of a single self that tries to fight desires pulling in different directions, he sees something closer to what I feel goes on within me: multiple selves in tension with each other:

The view I?m interested in ? is conservative in that it accepts that brains give rise to selves that last over time, plan for the future, and so on. But it is radical in that it gives up the idea that there is just one self per head. The idea is that instead, within each brain, different selves are continually popping in and out of existence. They have different desires, and they fight for control?bargaining with, deceiving, and plotting against one another.
These selves aren?t really popping in and out of existence. They?re all familiar companions who compete for my attention, but I?ve known them well for a long time. I?m always working to keep the positive ones foremost and push the negative ones aside. That?s one way I?ve come to think of recovery - I?ve learned how to deny power to a depressive or anxious or addictive me and fill with energy the creative, spiritual and loving beings.

This may sound like a dissociative personality disorder, but it?s not. These different selves are not compartmentalized and out of touch with each other. They?re interacting all the time. They tell stories, some grim, some hopeful and become parts of the living narrative I put together to form the single sense of who I am. It may not be the most consistent narrative, since, as the lead character, I?ve often changed direction and spoken with many voices. But I learn how to live - and find meaning in what I go through - by working hard to put each self into the order that will keep me sane and functioning.

When I?m well, this happens without much thinking, almost effortlessly. Even when I?m well, though, the dialogue, the arguments, the pushing and shoving for control among them still go on, however muted they might become. I have to remain mindful at all times, especially about the quiet moves that depression is making. He?s the most artful one of all, as well as the most dangerous.

Mindfulness for this purpose has a special meaning. It is not so much the detached observation of thoughts racing through my awareness until they are all still and a different consciousness is achieved.

More commonly, the flow I?m listening to consists of coherent voices pushing me in one direction or another. The peace and harmony I achieve comes when I can listen calmly to them all and detach myself from their tension. Then suddenly they are in the places where they need to be, their struggle is a sideshow, and I am filled with a sense of life and openness that is more than the sum of all those parts.

You could say I?m in the lead again, working hard in this endless flight, heading toward a home that?s still out of view.
 
Is this not like ADHD where the mind is constantly racing with thoughts that are all over place. What label would be given to this type of thoughts with different selves. Is it a form of schizophrenia just wondering thats all thanks mary
 

David Baxter PhD

Late Founder
The point the author is making is that we all have different aspects to ourselves. We needn't pathologize this as a dissociative disorder, ADHD, or anything else, and no, it is definitely not schizophrenia. This is just being a human being.
 

amastie

Member
At first I wanted to cry, so much do I experience different such personalities pushing me in different directions, but then I read further the conclusions that the author draws and (I know that I'm poorly focussed tonight) but I cann't see how it is not DID. I don't see a difference, not if the inside personalities hold sway, oftentimes divergently, over the actions and will of the person.
As I say, I'm not well focussed at present, but I can't see a difference. I really can't. Perhaps someone else can help me better to understand.
Thank you,
amastie
 

David Baxter PhD

Late Founder
At first I wanted to cry, so much do I experience different such personalities pushing me in different directions, but then I read further the conclusions that the author draws and (I know that I'm poorly focussed tonight) but I cann't see how it is not DID. I don't see a difference, not if the inside personalities hold sway, oftentimes divergently, over the actions and will of the person.

As I say, I'm not well focussed at present, but I can't see a difference. I really can't. Perhaps someone else can help me better to understand.

As I've said more than once, I don't believe DID is at all common and I think it is overdiagnosed.

But as I said above, the point of the article is that we all have different aspects of The Self in different contexts:

The point the author is making is that we all have different aspects to ourselves. We needn't pathologize this as a dissociative disorder, ADHD, or anything else, and no, it is definitely not schizophrenia. This is just being a human being.

In part, this is simply the way the normal human personality is constructed. In part, it is due to our adaptation to shifting circumstances, as in the concept of social identity.
 
I find this article fascinating, because it does so well describe the different facets we all have, I like to think of a gem stone, a complete stone which has many different facets, depending where the light hits, it reflects back a different colour, if the light is dim its aspect alters , in full sunshine several colours can be seen simultaneously , but it always remains a complete whole gem.

I know this imagery may seem a little fanciful, but this is what the article brought to mind. I know that the majority of people have different personnas depending in which situation they have to cope with. As the article and Dr Baxter says it certainly does not mean that they are suffering from DID, they are just changing hats from being a son , a parent , a client , an employee , a husband, and the private quiet guy who likes to go fishing and watch the water flow by.
 
i certainly notice i feel different around different types of people and in different types of situations. some people make me feel at ease and i can be myself and with others i am extremely self-conscious and i find i become the person i think they perceive me as. strange how that works.

i love your analogy white page:goodjob:
 
I know exactly what you mean,
I find i become the person i think they perceive me as. strange how that works.

Therapy helped me not to over adapt. If that makes sense. At times I still do it as a defensive mesure because I feel rightly or wrongly that the person in front of me will not come halfway in adapting a little to who I am. Or I just don't want to or can't let them in at all on a particular day.
 
i kind of agree that all of us have to play various roles all diverse and strange in the day.And focus on each one within it's limits and reach.
 
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