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David Baxter PhD

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Lack of Empathy: The Most Telling Narcissistic Trait
by Randi Kreger in Psychology Today
January 24, 2012

The narcissist lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.

~ The American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV

Lack of empathy is one of the most striking features of people with narcissistic personality disorder. It's a hallmark of the disorder in the same way that fear of abandonment is in borderline personality disorder.

"Narcissists do not consider the pain they inflict on others; nor do they give any credence to others' perceptions," says Dr. Les Carter in the book, Enough of You, Let's Talk About Me (p. 9). "They simply do not care about thoughts and feelings that conflict with their own." Do not expect them to listen, validate, understand, or support you.

This is exacerbated when the person has a touch of antisocial personality disorder. Then it becomes frightening, as in this all-too-common example. A woman says:

He would abuse the dog in front of his 11-year-old daughter by repeatedly pushing the shocking collar and making the dogs wail. The daughter would scream and wave her hands and if I hadn't been there to take the control away from my husband I don't know how long he would have kept doing it.


Let's look at what this means on a more moderate basis. Here are examples from partners of narcissists:

  • He would actually get mad at me if I was sick. I said, "I sat here with you for days when you were depressed and couldn't get out of bed. And now you can't even be a little nice to me when I am sick?"
  • My partner would hurt my feelings just when things were going well. When I would question him about it, he would make up excuses and tell me I'm wrong for feeling the way I did, and if I didn't like it there was something wrong with me.
  • I could spend an hour detailing how I felt hurt and she would sit there, cold as ice. When it was her turn to speak, she tore down every word that came out of my mouth until I had to apologize for expressing how I felt. I ignored this red flag and made excuses to myself and others.

Note that narcissists can pick up on social cues and can "fake it" when necessary. Aside from looking "normal," the hope is that they will get something back. Partners said:

  • He has made adaptations that allow him to "appear" to be thoughtful and concerned about others. Early in our marriage, he would ask me what I would like to do. Then one day it dawned on me that while he asked, we never ended up following my suggestions! When I mentioned this to him, he had a crestfallen appearance and behaved like child who had been caught doing something wrong.
  • I think that faux empathy stems from a number of things. A need to fit in, socially--to appear like a feeling, caring person is certainly one of them. In some cases, it's probably an acquired social skill, albeit a superficial one. Like learning which utensil to use when dining in polite company. In other cases, it's a means to getting what you want from people.
  • She had "intellectual" empathy: almost as if she knew she should react that way. She didn't feel it at the soul/being level. She knew the words, but couldn't hear the emotional music of our relationship.

This lack of empathy is so foreign to us--even some animals show evidence of empathy--that shocking instances can break through the denial and the hoping that one day we will get our turn. While it may leave us outraged, hurt, and feeling betrayed, it can be an eye-opening incident that we really need to acknowledge the limitations of individuals with NPD. As painful as it can be, though, we no longer feel as confused by the push-pull (or in some cases, just the push).

In my own life, my moment of truth came when an arsonist burned down my garage to the bare foundation. It happened in the middle of the night, and my family practically had PTSD from awakening in the middle of the night to see flames shooting up to the sky. The neighborhood lost power. We lost both cars and everything stored in the garage, including some priceless sentimental objects. The insurance only paid half of what we needed to put up a new garage.

After I mentioned this twice to the NP in my life on the phone, s/he got bored and made it clear s/he wasn't interested in prolonging the topic. Although s/he lived 20 minutes away from me, s/he never bothered to come over and see the damage or see how my family was doing.

Since this way of living is so foreign to us, if we have someone with NPD in our life, we need to understand how they think. One NP explains it this way:

People are tools to be I use to get what I want. No one cares what a hammer or nail thinks, nor do we even notice anything unique about them unless they don't work right. The only nail I would notice is one that bent when I hit it with a hammer. Just as it should be. Really I was not that callous, but if I could use someone to get me what I wanted, I would. And rarely would I feel guilty about it. I mean if I played you, you should have been paying more attention. You'll get over it.


Narcissist and author Sam Vaknin (Malignant Self Love--Narcissism Revisited) reveals:

I am aware of the fact that others have emotions, needs, preferences, and priorities - but I simply can't seem to "get it into my mind." There is an invisible partition behind which I watch the rest of Mankind and through which nothing that is human can permeate. I empathize more with my goldfish than with my "nearest and dearest."

To me, all people are cardboard cut-outs, sophisticated motor contraptions, ersatz and robotic. I know how I should feel because I am well-read--but I cannot seem to bring myself to emote and to sympathize. I care more about my material possessions and belongings than [almost] any man or woman alive.

Over the years, I have deciphered the code. I have learned to imitate and emulate expertly the more common affect and expressions of one's inner landscape. But this veneer is easily breached when I am frustrated or humiliated ("narcissistic injury"): the mask slips and the real Me is out: a predator on the prowl.



The Author

Randi Kreger is the author or co-author of four books on borderline and narcissistic personality disorders:




Kreger's website, BPDCentral.com, is the home of her "Welcome to Oz" online support community. Through Eggshells Press at BPDCentral.com, she offers family members a wide variety of more specialized booklets and other materials.
 

Indie

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I must say, this post has helped me in my attempt to wrap my brain around my NPD mom and her weird behavior.

I am just a week out of major surgery for cancer and am also getting chemo. When I told my mom, the night before my surgery, that I had a malignant tumor, she said, "Well, just be SO GRATEFUL that you don't have (fill-in-the-blank with another type of) cancer!" No "I'm so sorry for what you're going through," or anything even remotely like it.

I live in a different city from her, and she asked if she should do anything. I told her to stay put, as I had plenty of help with my husband, and we'd give her a call once I was out of recovery and back in my hospital room. Once I was wheeled to my room, the nurse told me that my mom and dad were downstairs. My husband went down there to update them but not to allow them up to see me, as I was horribly doped up and in pain, plus my nurse said I needed to rest and not visit. My husband said my mom was very pushy about coming up to the room (her needs were striving to be met, not mine), but he ignored her and just kept explaining the procedure, etc. to her and my dad. They ended up leaving but he said they didn't seem upset.

I called her the next day to say that I was recovering nicely. She then called a day later and left a voicemail message in an aggravated tone, because I had failed to remember to give her my adult daughter's mailing address. Not once did she ask how I was feeling. She was ticked that I, someone who is suffering from "chemo brain" and 24 hours post-op, forgot to give her an address. My husband called her back with the info.

That's been 4 days, and I've not heard a single thing from her since. My husband's parents check in daily, as do my friends. But my own mother won't. Nor did she tell my brother or any other of my family that I had surgery. I am at the point of despising her. This post on lack of empathy as the hallmark trait of the N explains a whole, whole lot right now. My mom will bend over backwards to help out a neighbor or friend, but she cannot even call her own daughter to see how she's feeling. Pretend empathy, I suppose, for the neighbors and friends. True colors are left for me.

Anyway, I'm glad I've had a place to vent my sadness, disappointment and disgust.:(
 

Frazzled

Member
Yeah I hear you. My mother used to get furious if I was sick. She drug me by my arm when I was 6 years old in the rain and whipped me around because she didn't want to deal with me. I was almost hospitalized with an illness a few years ago and she was annoyed with me because I wasn't well to go with her to the mall. Not once did she ask if we needed anything, if I was feeling better, what the doctor said, nothing. I am so fortunate to have my husband. Geez!
 

heatherly

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Thank you for this post David. I kept trying to understand why my sisters don't care how I feel and nevef have. I kept wanting them to validate me, support me, talk to me about a certain problem. All I get is that while they were cruel to me at Mom's funeral, they don't believe they were, and they changed the entire scene, telling other family members that I imagined it all, when one family member knows I didn't because he was there. So I keep trying to get one sister to admit it; she won't. She won't even talk about it. Then the other makes me feel guilty for not making up to her. This is all insane.
 
Sometimes when I read stuff like this I think its me and it grieves me to think I am capable of behaving this way. Maybe that means I am not narcissistic or maybe it means I've learned which fork to use. But when I look over the landscape of my life (I am 58) the evidence of narcissism is there.
 
Hey, thanks Dr. Baxter for elaborating and explaining my words last night to Darkside re: lack of empathy in the 'recovering from a narcissitic mother' thread. ;)
 

je9je9

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I used to think my mom had a lot of empathy, but it's more about how situations make HER feel. If I am sick, that extension of herself is sick and so she feels bad, but she lacks the instinct to just drop by with a bottle of 7-Up. She thinks I'm the kindest person she knows (until she's cross with me, lol) because I send sympathy cards to people and presents to people who are not immediate family, just because it might make them feel good. Then, when she sees that, she kicks herself and cries, "Why didn't I think of that?" She's probably an 8 out of 10 on the narcissism scale and I feel sorry for her because I think she knows she's not a very nice person but doesn't know what to do about it. That's when she's in a contemplative mood. When she's on a roll, she's just plain nasty. I told her once that not everyone felt just the same way about things as she does and she was amazed. She'll repeat it now and again as if it was the wisest piece of information ever imparted. Not that she's ever acted on it.
 

heatherly

Member
That is interesting about your mother. Mine once told me something about how much I help her mentally, I have a calming affect, and then it was as if she didn't believe it because she would turn mean again.

I am coming to believe that brain malfunction is the reason people are cruel, etc. Something I read online about "evil." Let me find it again: Does evil exist? Neuroscientists say no. - Slate Magazine This gives me more empathy for those who just don't get it.
 

je9je9

Member
I am coming to believe that brain malfunction is the reason people are cruel, etc. Something I read online about "evil." Let me find it again: Does evil exist? Neuroscientists say no. - Slate Magazine This gives me more empathy for those who just don't get it.

Interesting article. Either brain malfunction or early experience. I think of my mom's childhood during WWII on the South coast of England. Very traumatic. Also, too fighting parents that caused much stress. I think that caused much trauma to a possibly already sensitive developing brain. I know she is a very damaged and unhappy person who also has her good points. I always tell my husband I wish she was "evil" and all bad because she would be easier to just dismiss as a bad person.
 

heatherly

Member
That is so true; if they were all bad it would be easier. I think my mom's first marriage to my dad, started it all. She talked about him after the divorce almost every day of her life and even after he died. I think it changed her brain.
 

je9je9

Member
Was absolutely everything his fault? My mom blames my dad for everything. "Why he didn't buy that Wedgewood tea set, I'll never know. It would have been worth a fortune. Your father was a very cheap man. " Like she wasn't standing right next to him lol....and that was probably 40 years ago and he's been dead for nearly 20 years! Then she asks me if I ever think about him and is surprised that the man she goes on and on about might pop into my head now and again.
 

heatherly

Member
my dad beat her as well as cheated on her, so he was pretty bad. he beat us as well, and so we were all afraid of him. she talked about him for 50 years.
 

heatherly

Member
Thanks. One person that I like that does these studies is Dr. Andrew Newberg, How God Changes the Brain and other books. One shows how negative thoughts change the brain. I just looked, it is this one, Why God Won't Go Away. Whether you believe in God or not, it has some good information. I don't know where else to get that kind of information.
 

je9je9

Member
That sounds interesting. I know there is a lot of interest out there on trauma and probably on negative thinking, not that I can quote any studies at 5 in the morning lol. It just seems from life experience and from reading that the people who do not have these things are the more functional people. The centarians who are interviewed always cite a positive outlook on life. CEO's who have had negative life experiences and turn them around don't have a negative world view. But it seems that the combination of actual trauma and a negative world view can be real killers. They turn some people terribly bitter, especially if they're already narcissistic and think it's all been done to them personally and no one else has ever had it so bad. Anyway, that's my 5 am armchair psychology lol

I told my mom she was neither the glass half full, nor the glass half empty kind of gal. She is waiting for the glass to break. She thought that was hilarious, but it's really true.
 
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